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Tory Aitken to advise on prisons
Ok the guy has served his time, paid his debt to society and all that. But this is world-class brass neck from Aitkin. Are the Tories wise to be employing this convicted liar, perjurer and perverter of the course of justice ?
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Re: Jonathan Aitkin
« Reply #1 on: Nov 11th, 2007, 06:49am » |
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on Nov 11th, 2007, 06:45am, Libertarian wrote:
That's the important thing, surely? Although I have to admit that I find it very difficult to set aside my personal dislike and distrust of the man.
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« Reply #2 on: Nov 11th, 2007, 07:01am » |
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on Nov 11th, 2007, 06:49am, Electric Hermit wrote:| That's the important thing, surely? |
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I'm not sure. He has been punished for what he did. But that is no guarantee that he is a reformed character. He remains a man who is a proven liar of the most bare-faced kind, who even enlisted in his own children in his purjury.
I wouldn't trust him any more than I would let a convicted sex-offender baby-sit my children.
Still, the role the Tories have for him is an advisory one, rather than a position of power of trust. Hey, maybe they'll find positions for Archer, Hamilton and the rest of the sleaze-bags too 
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« Reply #3 on: Nov 11th, 2007, 07:09am » |
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on Nov 11th, 2007, 07:01am, Libertarian wrote:| Hey, maybe they'll find positions for Archer, Hamilton and the rest of the sleaze-bags too |
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If Aitken is the thin end of the wedge, the thick end looks distinctly unpleasant.
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on Nov 11th, 2007, 07:01am, Libertarian wrote:| ...even enlisted in his own children in his perjury. |
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That's the thing that I have difficulty getting past. The shameless lies are pretty much what one would expect. But someone who would sacrifice his own children must surely have some deeply ingrained character flaw.
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« Reply #5 on: Nov 11th, 2007, 09:39am » |
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This must surely be more evidence of the Tories moving back to their more familiar base ? It seems Aitken was recommended by IDS.  What with the Vulcan on taxes.....
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« Reply #6 on: Nov 11th, 2007, 5:16pm » |
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I do think that Cameron needs to purge his party, without that he can not move on, as has already been shown.
Aitkin has served his time. It is not a Government position. In theory IDS acted independently of Cameron...but really do have they no sense of self-awareness.
I think we might be approaching the time when the only way to get a realistic right of centre party not tied to a sense of history going back to the 1600s is for a breakaway to emerge. The current conservative Party now seems to be broken.
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« Reply #7 on: Nov 11th, 2007, 5:21pm » |
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on Nov 11th, 2007, 5:16pm, zedhed wrote:| I do think that Cameron needs to purge his party... |
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Purge the embarrassments and there might not be enough left to form a quorum.
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« Reply #8 on: Nov 12th, 2007, 09:51am » |
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Goodness, but isn't this forum becoming a left wing love in? I suppose it would be remiss of me to remind some of the dishonesty and sleaze that has infested New Labour since day one? AND the fact that the Tories are way ahead in the opinion polls at the moment. All the parties have their odd bad apples; and Mandelson was resurrected TWICE, after all.
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« Reply #9 on: Nov 12th, 2007, 10:02am » |
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on Nov 12th, 2007, 09:51am, Ned Long wrote:| Goodness, but isn't this forum becoming a left wing love in? I suppose it would be remiss of me to remind some of the dishonesty and sleaze that has infested New Labour since day one? AND the fact that the Tories are way ahead in the opinion polls at the moment. All the parties have their odd bad apples; and Mandelson was resurrected TWICE, after all. |
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Look at the title of the thread. It is there to give an indication of what the thread is about. It is about Jonathan Aitkin for reasons made clear in the initial post. Jonathan Aitkin is a Tory.
Are you beginning to get the idea now?
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« Reply #10 on: Nov 13th, 2007, 02:56am » |
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on Nov 12th, 2007, 09:51am, Ned Long wrote:| All the parties have their odd bad apples; and Mandelson was resurrected TWICE, after all. |
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To put what Mandleson did on a par with Aitkin would be stupid - maybe you forgot what each of them did. But it seems that as a Tory you are comfortable with this appointment. And therein lies the problem. Not only have Tories learned nothing, but they are determined to learn nothing and are comfortable with the fact of having learned nothing.
Poor old Cameron seems doomed to fail to reform a "nasty party" which can't win. Labour will continue in power until they screw up and lose.
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« Reply #11 on: Nov 13th, 2007, 07:40am » |
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on Nov 12th, 2007, 10:02am, Electric Hermit wrote:Look at the title of the thread. It is there to give an indication of what the thread is about. It is about Jonathan Aitkin for reasons made clear in the initial post. Jonathan Aitkin is a Tory.
Are you beginning to get the idea now?
Sorry if you struggle to keep up, you muppet. And it is Aitken. But that is by the bye. If the fact that only the subject matter, as outlined in the title, can be discussed, and the discussion can not be developed, then why did you post as follows:
"Purge the embarrassments and there might not be enough left to form a quorum" You leave Aitken behind and use it as a general attack on the entire conservative party. In such circumstances, it would have been remiss of me not to point out that all parties have their odd bad apples, and Labour more than most.
But you are a Scots nat, are you not? Poor deluded soul!
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on Nov 13th, 2007, 02:56am, Libertarian wrote:| Not only have Tories learned nothing, but they are determined to learn nothing and are comfortable with the fact of having learned nothing. |
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This is the point that so obviously eluded poor Ned. It is not merely about Aitken. It is about the ethos that prevails within the Conservative party as a whole and what their willingness to be identified with a man of his dubious character says about that ethos. To any but the most dogma-bound right-wing ideologue, the inevitable impression is, as you say, that they have learned nothing and don't even acknowledge that there is anything to be learned.
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« Reply #13 on: Nov 13th, 2007, 12:45pm » |
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"To err is human; to forgive, unusual" (Anon)
No such thing as repaying a debt........
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on Nov 13th, 2007, 12:45pm, Spud wrote:"To err is human; to forgive, unusual" (Anon)
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Would you trust Aitkin ? Say with the takings from the village fete ? Wouldn't the village committee deem you negligent if you did ?
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