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« Thread started on: Nov 9th, 2007, 09:12am » |
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Looks like the organised zionist lobby are now trying to get El Baradei sacked because Iran are not building a nuke and he said so.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/7085213.stm
Dont these lying scum learn from history? Do they expect anyone (other than fellow lying zionist scum and their appeasers) to believe anything they say? Unfortunately there are many, driven by their utter hatred for anything muslim who will support them and start beating the drums of war.
Will they send their kids to fight? 
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Re: Sack him coz he aint saying what we want.
« Reply #1 on: Nov 9th, 2007, 10:38am » |
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An ever so slightly biased view, wouldn't you say? There are strong indications that Iran IS forging ahead with the development of a nuclear weapon, no matter what they say. And Israel would appear to have most to fear should they succeed. Now I am quite prepared to hope and believe that if and when the Iranians succeed, they will not unilaterally use it against the Israelis, for they would be fools to do so, would they not?
They would have to be led by a religious fanatic who is on record as advocating the obliteration of Israel from the map, and would have to be de facto run by an enclave of religious mullahs of a similar mind. Oh, but they are, I hear you say. Fancy that!. Meanwhile, using such descriptive language as "lying zionist scum" really says all we need to know about the author.
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Re: Sack him coz he aint saying what we want.
« Reply #2 on: Nov 9th, 2007, 10:53am » |
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on Nov 9th, 2007, 10:38am, Ned Long wrote:| They would have to be led by a religious fanatic who is on record as advocating the obliteration of Israel from the map... |
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Hmm! Fanatics bent on obliterating countries, eh? That would be the Bush regime.
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Re: Sack him coz he aint saying what we want.
« Reply #3 on: Nov 9th, 2007, 11:21am » |
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on Nov 9th, 2007, 10:38am, Ned Long wrote:An ever so slightly biased view, wouldn't you say? There are strong indications that Iran IS forging ahead with the development of a nuclear weapon, no matter what they say. And Israel would appear to have most to fear should they succeed. Now I am quite prepared to hope and believe that if and when the Iranians succeed, they will not unilaterally use it against the Israelis, for they would be fools to do so, would they not?
They would have to be led by a religious fanatic who is on record as advocating the obliteration of Israel from the map, and would have to be de facto run by an enclave of religious mullahs of a similar mind. Oh, but they are, I hear you say. Fancy that!. Meanwhile, using such descriptive language as "lying zionist scum" really says all we need to know about the author.
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>>An ever so slightly biased view, wouldn't you say?<<
Nope.
>>There are strong indications that Iran IS forging ahead with the development of a nuclear weapon, no matter what they say.<<
Evidence would be nice.
>>And Israel would appear to have most to fear should they succeed.<<
Of course they would. It means they wouldn't be able to continue bullying their neighbours and other countries.
>>Now I am quite prepared to hope and believe that if and when the Iranians succeed, they will not unilaterally use it against the Israelis, for they would be fools to do so, would they not?<<
Why would they use it? It is for self defence. As North Korea proved, being named on the list of evil nations as was Iraq, has a certain galvanising effect on that nations military defence. A nuke is the ultimate deterrance against regime change.
>>They would have to be led by a religious fanatic who is on record as advocating the obliteration of Israel from the map,<<
In the same manner that the soviet union is no longer on the map or east germany. Tell me, did it take a war to wipe those countries off the map?
Zionism is a colonial experiment and deeply racist that has no place in the modern world.
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Re: Sack him coz he aint saying what we want.
« Reply #4 on: Nov 9th, 2007, 11:44am » |
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on Nov 9th, 2007, 10:38am, Ned Long wrote:| Now I am quite prepared to hope and believe that if and when the Iranians succeed, they will not unilaterally use it against the Israelis... |
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Unilaterally? Who the hell do you imagine would act in concert with them in such a venture?
Try to remember, when you refer to the possibility of Iran attacking Israel, that you talking about them doing no more than the reality of what Israel itself has done.
Try to realise that the reasons Iran might have for developing a military nuclear capability are exactly the same reasons that are supposed justify the massive arsenal of WMDs held by the US, Russia, UK, France, China etc.
And try to accept that, to an unbiased observer, there is no significant difference between the way Ahmadinejad talks about Israel and the way Bush talks about Iran. But at least Iran has made efforts to normalise relations. The US, meanwhile, has worked resolutely to increase tensions and promote confrontation.
Secret diplomacy, missed opportunities
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Re: Sack him coz he aint saying what we want.
« Reply #5 on: Nov 9th, 2007, 12:14pm » |
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on Nov 9th, 2007, 11:21am, mali wrote:| Zionism is a colonial experiment and deeply racist that has no place in the modern world. |
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How many of the other "isms" in the region have a place in the modern world?
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Re: Sack him coz he aint saying what we want.
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on Nov 9th, 2007, 12:14pm, Spud wrote:| How many of the other "isms" in the region have a place in the modern world? |
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Pointing at other nations does not make the problem of the intrinsically racist nature of zionism go away.
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on Nov 9th, 2007, 6:50pm, mali wrote:| Pointing at other nations does not make the problem of the intrinsically racist nature of zionism go away. |
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and neither does it absolve the others of just the same charge.
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Re: Sack him coz he aint saying what we want.
« Reply #8 on: Nov 10th, 2007, 02:36am » |
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on Nov 9th, 2007, 10:38am, Ned Long wrote:| There are strong indications that Iran IS forging ahead with the development of a nuclear weapon, |
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The only indication I am aware of is that the Americans say they are. Why would you, or anyone, believe them ?
on Nov 9th, 2007, 10:38am, Ned Long wrote:| And Israel would appear to have most to fear should they succeed. Now I am quite prepared to hope and believe that if and when the Iranians succeed, they will not unilaterally use it against the Israelis, for they would be fools to do so, would they not? |
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I'm not an advocate of nuclear armaments or any other arms race. But so far at least the experience is that countries with nuclear weapons (and this includes Israel) do not use them against each other.
on Nov 9th, 2007, 10:38am, Ned Long wrote:| They would have to be led by a religious fanatic who is on record as advocating the obliteration of Israel from the map, and would have to be de facto run by an enclave of religious mullahs of a similar mind. |
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The mistake you are making, as ever, is in swallowing American propaganda wholesale. That Iranian leaders have made these inflammatory xenophobic racist nationalistic remarks ever since their 1979 revolution is true. But if you took a balanced view, you would give equal weight to equally inflammatory xenophobic racist nationalistic remarks made by leaders in Israel or America.
Also, Iran does not have a track record of attacking other countries. In fact I can't think of a single of a country led by an Islamic regime that has attacked another country in the modern era.
And the thing that gets overlooked is that Iran has a perfect right, guaranteed by international treaty, to develop nuclear power. And the expert view is that they are doing no more than that.
How gullible would someone have to be to accept the American/Israeli view over that of El Baradei's organisation ?
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Re: Sack him coz he aint saying what we want.
« Reply #9 on: Nov 10th, 2007, 02:59am » |
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on Nov 9th, 2007, 11:44am, Electric Hermit wrote:
The US behaves as though it wants and needs enemies.
Powerful people and a large part of its massive ecomony depend on this. Now that the Russians have stepped back from the confrontation, the likes of Iraq and Iran will have to do. But the hawks can be relieved that it is so easy for them to pretend that the threat posed by these minnows is so much greater than it really is.
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« Reply #10 on: Nov 10th, 2007, 06:44am » |
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on Nov 10th, 2007, 02:36am, Libertarian wrote:| And the thing that gets overlooked is that Iran has a perfect right, guaranteed by international treaty, to develop nuclear power. And the expert view is that they are doing no more than that. |
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And why would the US (and other western nations) want to prevent Iran developing nuclear power-generation capacity? Because this would potentially make them very much less dependent on selling oil, thus giving them just a little of the global power that the US claims as its own, exclusive, divinely-ordained right.
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« Reply #11 on: Nov 10th, 2007, 06:58am » |
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on Nov 10th, 2007, 02:59am, Libertarian wrote:The US behaves as though it wants and needs enemies.
Powerful people and a large part of its massive ecomony depend on this. Now that the Russians have stepped back from the confrontation, the likes of Iraq and Iran will have to do. But the hawks can be relieved that it is so easy for them to pretend that the threat posed by these minnows is so much greater than it really is. |
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The much-reviled left-wing politician, George Galloway, is often attacked for having said that the collapse of the Soviet Union was the worst thing that could have happened. His detractors, who are legion, wilfully misrepresent this as mourning the passing of communist dictatorship.
What Galloway was actually referring to was the fact that a functioning, if far from ideal, system of balanced powers had been destroyed. And, not being deafened by the trumpeting triumphalism of the US and its accomplices, he was able to hear the roll of the approaching storm.
One of the things Galloway's enemies hate most about him is that he is sometimes right. And, as has been proved by subsequent events, he was right about this.
This post is in danger of developing into an exposition of the theory of prevailing and countervailing power. So I'd better end here. 
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Re: Sack him coz he aint saying what we want.
« Reply #12 on: Nov 12th, 2007, 05:24am » |
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on Nov 9th, 2007, 10:13pm, Spud wrote:| and neither does it absolve the others of just the same charge. |
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And what has that got to do with the zionists wanting El Baradei removed?
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« Reply #13 on: Nov 12th, 2007, 05:26am » |
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on Nov 10th, 2007, 06:58am, Electric Hermit wrote:The much-reviled left-wing politician, George Galloway, is often attacked for having said that the collapse of the Soviet Union was the worst thing that could have happened. His detractors, who are legion, wilfully misrepresent this as mourning the passing of communist dictatorship.
What Galloway was actually referring to was the fact that a functioning, if far from ideal, system of balanced powers had been destroyed. And, not being deafened by the trumpeting triumphalism of the US and its accomplices, he was able to hear the roll of the approaching storm.
One of the things Galloway's enemies hate most about him is that he is sometimes right. And, as has been proved by subsequent events, he was right about this.
This post is in danger of developing into an exposition of the theory of prevailing and countervailing power. So I'd better end here.
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George has been 100% correct in everything he has said about the mid east since the notion of invading Iraq was dreamt up by Bush and Blair in Sept 2003. That is what irks most of his detractors.
It is interesting that he is never attacked on his views any longer, just his personality.
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Re: Sack him coz he aint saying what we want.
« Reply #14 on: Nov 12th, 2007, 06:54am » |
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on Nov 10th, 2007, 06:58am, Electric Hermit wrote:| What Galloway was actually referring to was the fact that a functioning, if far from ideal, system of balanced powers had been destroyed. And, not being deafened by the trumpeting triumphalism of the US and its accomplices, he was able to hear the roll of the approaching storm. |
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I have not thought about it and I do not know about him, but he could be true as far as the US has been that stupid. It must have been much better with the power alive, though it must be a hindsight by now.
Quote:This post is in danger of developing into an exposition of the theory of prevailing and countervailing power. So I'd better end here.
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I am sorry to have kept it on 
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